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sorry sorry basically a lot of people can get into left-of-center politics out of compassion for others, and things like “equality/equity”, “human rights”, “(social) justice” seem like good orienting principles to genuinely help people. but theoretically (i believe) those are dead-ends

oop sorry i hope i didn’t scare you off, fwiw i think it’d be interesting to listen to you talk theology stuff ^-^
i was gonna post the following but i hope it doesn’t seem overbearing “mhm i getcha, i just tend to think that we can do without it (and would be better off for it, as i see a rather great danger in abuse of appeals to concepts such as these for achieving political goals directly)”
raymond geuss, philosophy and real politics. 

https://youtu.be/b2-Aw_C6xx4

most of this section is summarizing the marx/engels stuff above (humorously, both zoe baker and cuck philosophy made videos summarizing these few pages of geuss as well).