alasdair macintyre containment thread

the beliefs that he has in his mind and heart are one thing; the beliefs that his role expresses and presupposes are quite another

THANK YOU

MICHAEL SCOTT THANK YOU DOT GIF

he's cooking rn and well on the right track although transparently im not really learning anything new, its still early tho

nice to see the expression regardless

this isn't entirely true, the main thesis is important and it's recontextualizing and drawing together important strands, i just mean to say that the strands themselves are not new, but what else would one expect

the choice between the ethical and the aesthetic is not he choice between good and evil, it is the choice whether or not to choose in terms of good and evil.

really fun philosophical history

"it is clear that hume's invocation of sympathy is an invention intended to bridge the gap between any set of reasons which could support unconditional adherence to general and unconditional rules and any set of reasons for action or judgement which could derive from our particular, fluctuating,

circumstance-governed desires, emotions and interests. later on adam smith was to invoke sympathy for precisely the same purpose. but the gap of course is logically unbridgeable, and 'sympathy' as used by hume and smith is the name of a philosophical fiction."

LOL wait fuck i accidentally posted all this in the wrong thread

i feel bad for the TAs that had to grade my papers lol

i wonder what pedagogical styles would develop if our institutions took a different shape

i respect simone schweber for her attempts to go against the grain, i'm not sure how successful she was

but then again, i always feel obligated to say that we were the ones that let her down, not the other way around

"twentieth-century social life turns out in key part to be concrete and dramatic re-enactment of eighteenth-century philosophy. and the legitimation of the characteristic institutional forms depends upon a belief that some of the central claims of that earlier philosophy have been vindicated"

machievelli's invocation made me grin, we are so back folks

"not one game is being played, but several, and, if the game metaphor may be stretched further, the problem about real life is that moving one's knight to QB3 may always be replied to with a lob across the net" :)

just as unpredictability does not entail inexplicability, so predictability does not entail explicability

taking stock so far, i basically think this is a 10/10 book so far. we're heading into chapter 10 which seems like a turning point and im anxious (/pos) to see what comes next

also i just wanna say, i really enjoy his writing style. it's nice and comfortable and clever. i adored the kautsky reference with "road to power", there are so many subtle things like that

i like the sophrosuni virtue, it comes up in nietzsche every now and again

"there are indeed crucial conflicts in which different virtues appear as making rival and incompatible claims upon us. but our situation is tragic in that we have to recognize the authority of both claims. there is an objective moral order, but

our perceptions of it are such that we cannot bring rival moral truths into complete harmony with each other and yet the acknowledgment of the moral order and of the moral truth makes the kind of choice which a weber or a berlin urges upon us out of the question.

for to choose does not exempt me from the authority of the claim which i chose to go against."

okay wait insane idea do i take the horny pills

just to try them out

lowkey i’m scared of it hurting or getting stuck 😭

tbh i still have like no interest or sex drive so ill just put it off again

maybe i’d give it a go if i had like a week off and was very bored

shklar complete, never wanna revisit again, ive had enough for a lifetime

maybe i'll pop into alasdair tmrw but we're done reading today

"for all our wealth of historical experience, we do not know how to think about victimhood. almost everything one might say would be unfair, self-serving, undignified, untrue, self-deluding, contradictory, or dangerous."

thinkin nietzsche and pity atm, hope she gets to it

the best religion, therefore, with peace in view, is the one into which one is born - the one most established in one's country and the one which one is most used to. this is not an attempt to disregard the enormous faults of existing ideologies and institutions.

is it, rather, the recognition that the alternatives are no better. it is the conservatism of universal disgust, if it is conservatism at all.

for in what sense can one be said to support an existing order of affairs if one cannot think of anything to say on its behalf except that it is there? it is an act of perfect dissociation, but not necessarily a retreat from the public world.

i am pretty fond of "the conservatism of universal disgust" as a phrase, but politically it's disastrous and the perfection one achieves is the pathetic purity of ideological complacency.

the anti-anti-hypocrite stance is well-taken but is dragging

oh my god this whole book is dragging im so bored

in fairness the rest of the chapters after snobbery do seem more interesting

rorty did more to make me sympathetic to anti-cruelty, shklar is so uninspiring

lol i have no patience for moralists like this blegh

hm i wonder if it's simply the fact that these are somewhat outdated/inapplicable/out of fashion to us now. would snobbery be included in today's ordinary vices?

20 more mins... good god hurry and end my misery

lemme create a session rudy

raz was also cool because he called williams a bitch ass hoe